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Eric Wulff (ewulff)
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 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: IFPA Open Net Rankings June 2007 |
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The world rankings for open net are updated and posted at
http://chaosfootbag.com/Rank_062007.html
In order to earn points towards a world ranking players must finish in the top half of an IFPA sanctioned event within the past 12 months or at one of the previous 3 WFC.
I Big Phat Welcome to the World Rankings - The following players have scored points for the first time...
Russel Arsenault - CA
Mouss Kabbal - FR
Luc Legault - QC
Janne Villikka - FI
Team S - Robinson Sustrac and Thomas Sustrac - FR
Tuan Vu - US
Please reply if you see any discrepancies - surely there are a couple.
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Justin Eichenlaub (justin41)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: IFPA Open Net Rankings June 2007 |
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| Eric Wulff (ewulff) wrote: |
In order to earn points towards a world ranking players must finish in the top half of an IFPA sanctioned event within the past 12 months or at one of the previous 3 WFC.
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this is new.
may i ask why? i actually liked being listed although i seem to have scored a place beneath that line. hmm or maybe not? 15th of 31 at euros06.
is french champs ifpa-sanctioned? (is it an open tournament?)
( is french open sanctioned ?)
as of the events page there were only 2 ifpa-events? or are not all of them marked?
not that i would care much, but i don´t really get it.
is the list of sanctioned events on the page all there is?
so euros06 is not taken into account?
will it be used for seeding at worlds?
in the german championships results you said:
| John Leys (jleys) wrote: | | That makes it official. Sam is now ranked above Ulli and Hannes at next year's worlds in Orlando. Oh yeah, above Tuan too. |
so that is history too? i'm a little confused? who decides those thíngs and are they made public somehow? in beforehand i mean?
thanks for filling me in eric,
justin |
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Eric Wulff (ewulff)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: IFPA Open Net Rankings June 2007 |
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Dude - Justin - you've got like 100 questions of which 98 will be answered if you actually follow the link and look at the rankings. Please do so before you imply a poor job is being done when many people are putting in hours of free time to get this done. Thank You!
As for why only top half players get points. The reality is this... otherwise there would be no rankings at all because we don't have the resources to process all the data YET.
Give us some time - we're getting there. |
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Eric Wulff (ewulff)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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btw - Grischa is in charge of auditting the French and some other Euro results and will get back to me asap to make any corrections if need be. If you have any questions about results from France events please KINDLY direct to him.
thx again
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Justin Eichenlaub (justin41)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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woohw.. sorry, i did not mean to be rude.
but yea, i was probably quicker writing than thinking ...
i'm sure you invested a lot of time into this. and its appreciated.
thanks for the quick reply |
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Justin Eichenlaub (justin41)
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
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sorry again, i was way to drunk yesterday night to post a comment.
(or even think clearly)
i just sort of stumbled over it and hit some random buttons.
rereading my post clear-minded it definately sounds like a rant.
i did not mean to imply a bad job at all... i just posted all the thingies in and around my foggy brain.
afterall i should have known that you had a lot of work collecting all the results and merge them into a useful document. i really appreciate all this.
just ignore my post, please.
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Hakan Hellberg (hakan)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Eric,
I find it more than a bit disturbing to find my brother Magnus ahead of me in the single rankings - surely you must have mixed up our names? So please put me back up to my well deserved 22nd place, and, more importantly, send my brother down to number 38 quick as hell. |
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Eric Wulff (ewulff)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: |
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I'll check into that "quick as hell"  Not sure exactly how quick that is but I'll define that as this week sometime. thanks for bringing to my attention - keep you posted.
Eric |
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Cory Current (cdcurrent)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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your stats seem to have Mr Derricott as a 'US' rep. Surely that can't be right, can it?!?!? I don't remember signing his welcome papers.
-CoryC |
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Steve Dusablon (dusablon)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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how often are these updated and what parameters are used to determine the "level" of a given event and why is the green cup the only level 1?
thx
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Eric Wulff (ewulff)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve Dusablon (dusablon) wrote: | how often are these updated and what parameters are used to determine the "level" of a given event and why is the green cup the only level 1?
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First of all, thx Cory also. I'll get on these corrections.
Thx Steve for bringing this up. We do have a transparency issue and hopefully we can take care of that soon.
Regarding how often they get updated... this is the 5th or 6th update since January 2006.
So far The level of any given event is still mostly based on decisions made by John and Chris back when they first implemented this system. There, I passed the buck on this one .
Seriously though, the level of the tournament is based on several factors including not giving too much wait to any one region. The heaviest factor is the quality of players at a given event. How many ranked players attend a particular event and how highly ranked are they? Keep in mind, I don't just mean based on the current IFPA ranking system.
So, right now we have North America split into east/west granting just one level 1 event to each. The Green Cup has had more highly ranked players than any other event in the West of North America the past 4 years - hence it is North America's West region level 1 event.
There are only two other level one events in the world right now - the Montreal Championships and The European Championships. Montreal is not on the list because that event was not sanctioned last year - it also ran the same weekend as opening weekend of worlds last year which is unusual. Montreal represents the level 1 of North America East.
European Championships represents level 1 Europe for obvious reasons and is NOT currently on the list because it happened more than one year ago. It'll return to the list in a few weeks though.
Hope this helps for now. On the to-do list is to implement a more standardized system for granting the level of an event and have that process be more transparent.
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Christopher Siebert (conan)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Many many thanks to Eric for doing the bulk of the work on this. These things are even more complicated than they appear and Eric has done a good job explaining it.
It's been a long slow process, but every year it improves. Thanks again Eric and everyone else involved in the rankings system!
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Steve Dusablon (dusablon)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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These (as well as anything those freaky freestyle people have going) should most definitely be a more prominent feature on this web site. Maybe we can lobby Mr. Goldberg (and his posse) to turn it into one of those clicky things on the side of the screen like the FORUM button....or at least make this thread the umpteenth sticky 
Thanks Eric for such an in depth answer and most definitely for all of your hard work to get everything to this point. |
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Olli Savolainen (opa)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Eric Wulff (ewulff) wrote: |
European Championships represents level 1 Europe for obvious reasons and is NOT currently on the list because it happened more than one year ago. It'll return to the list in a few weeks though.
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Shouldn't an annual event stay on the list until it takes place the next time? I mean if it's still going to be annual. It shouldn't matter if it's just a little over a year in between. Also if it's less than a year the points received the previous year are replaced with the new ones.
I would find it confusing IF by any chance I was the reigning European Champion and that wouldn't count going to Euros this year. Of course, that's just something to be fixed in seeding by good tournament directors, and thus isn't big of an issue. But anyway, I believe in other sports (Tennis for example) you have the points from US Open until the next annual US Open is done. |
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Eric Wulff (ewulff)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| This makes perfect sense but made the calculation for what's included and what's not more complicated. In a moment of weakness I left it out. I'll try to correct that and add back Euros. |
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