Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 335 Location: Oakland, CA, USA
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject:
Matthew Johns (Elliott) wrote:
i guess it's not suprising my thoughts went too deep for a physical education trainer or a gym coach.
Being a physical education instructor gives me great insight on all sports. Maybe that is why playing with goofy ass rules makes me frustruated.
Being a PE teacher also gave me the day off today(veterans day," america FUCK YEAH!") to fight with you!
So when are we going to meet you actually, cause I have been playing footbag in "AMERICA" for ten years and we still have not met. Green Cup should be on your list for this year. Please grace us with your footbagnet-omnipotent presence! I got a futon you and MIss PIggy can sleep on, shit bring Fozzy, I love DA BEARS! Being from Chicago originally.
Joined: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 170 Location: Nashville, TN, USA
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:57 am Post subject:
i'm completely shocked by your distain for kermit. for someone to hate so much kermit you must have had a difficult childhood indeed. honestly, can you think of a muppet who is more devoted and faithful than kermit? i think not. i mean sure the sweedish chef had his moments, but his character was riddled with angst. the idea of kermit visiting strip clubs...have you no shame? if any muppet smelled like a titty bar it would be those 2 guffawing old geezers sitting in the balcony. perhaps i should find an avatar that is less polarizing....perhaps burt reynolds or robert redford, their more your style, right? don't worry about me, your doom will come in the form of my on court persona ray jay a.k.a. P.E. Lovern.
Joined: 18 Sep 2003 Posts: 140 Location: Moscow, -, Russia
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject:
P.T. Lovern (ptlovern) wrote:
FYI, I was out preaching "jousting with Honor in europe" and that is a waste of time. I saw plenty of fools "cracking" each other, even in the warmups.
What type of comment is that? I don't think anybody or ANY EUROPEAN FOOL did foul on purpose to "crack" the opponent. For NOW it is just a part of the game.
This year in Hellsinki Ben and I played Cory and Chris Ott for 2nd in the pool and I had couple tough jousts with Cory, but no because of the desire to hurt/crack him, but because of the fact that the bag was over the net and we went for it together.
I remember you getting upset in Poland in some no-respect Europe-North America argument and what the f##k is that then?
Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 335 Location: Oakland, CA, USA
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject:
Alexander Smirnov (chezl) wrote:
What type of comment is that? I don't think anybody or ANY EUROPEAN FOOL did foul on purpose to "crack" the opponent. For NOW it is just a part of the game.
I remember you getting upset in Poland in some no-respect Europe-North America argument and what the f##k is that then?
Hey Sasha, my comments are in general to everyone I saw play, Jousting with honor is something new players don't understand, that is why it is a waste of time. YOu just said it is within the rules, that contact happens. I'm not looking to raise more bad blood between me an euro players, I actually think I am the only US player that has been in europe every summer since 2002! So I shouldn't be offending anyone, well except for my buddy who can't jump over the net anyways.
As far as cracking, it is a rough word, I mean hitting, without intention. So when you blasted some german dude in warm-ups in Poland, with a side-block I don't think you meant to try to hurt him, you just were trying to block him and did crack him in the process.
The rules let you play dangerously, and some people can't control thier bodies, this is the basis for our whole arguement.
Don't be offended, I am not trying to insult you! Just trying to make OUR game better! Plus Rocky IV was boring compared to Rocky III.
Love you sashi baby. I will be happy to discuss it with you via email!
Joined: 18 Sep 2003 Posts: 137 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject:
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This year in Hellsinki Ben and I played Cory and Chris Ott for 2nd in the pool and I had couple tough jousts with Cory, but no because of the desire to hurt/crack him
EXACTLY - I don't think anyone is implying that anyone is ***intentionally*** trying to kick anyone. In fact, I state over and over again that intention is NOT a factor. Personally this argument makes no impression on me because I know nobody is trying to kick anything but the bag. Again, the rules, as is, dictate that contact will inevitably happen during the course of play. I think that those of us who are against breaking the plane understand that breaking the plane can be 'fun' and we understand that it has been part of the game for a long time. However, there are more impressive physical feats and tactical maneuvers than breaking the plane and by eliminating the plane break, or by adjusting the rule somehow to discourage it more, these other aspects of the game will be better promoted I think.
upsides: The game will be more egalitarian(so to speak), safer, more impressive to watch overall, and more fun to play.
downsides: it will be challenging to enforce a breaking the plane restriction - depending on what that is and there would be an adjustment period
Now, I'm going to geek out on the trash talk thing. I think we pretty much understand that we talk trash in the course of these debates - right? It's very difficult or impossible to be sarcastic via email/forum but without some trash it's just no fun. Let's give the benefit of the doubt that when we disagree that's pretty much all there is to it. I may say it's stupid or weak or be called a cry baby or whatever but that kind of shit is more us just blowing off steam because we can't believe the other guy is trying to change or stifle our game - right?
ok, I'm back from the dead concert now - the current breaking the plane rule is almost as ridiculous as the size of the bag we play with - doh
Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 190 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject:
Bernard, you gonna be at the Green Cup this year? I vaguely remember some sort of wager for beer bout the Gaytriots laying waste to Steeltown a couple of weeks ago? Besides, I owe you and Conan a beating at golden tee...
Still waiting on quinn for the end of my video, so i may just say fuck it and finish sans finale (No glory for seibert and dusablon )
Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 270 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject:
Jousting with honor means going for the bag and not calling a "cheap" foul in the process. For example, if you ever play pick-up basketball, you know that there are some players who will call a foul no matter how cleanly they are stripped or blocked. That is dishonorable.
Regarding footbag rules, this discussion has meant very little, because CONTACT FOULING IS ILLEGAL. Here's how it works:
Contact foul = lose point
Excessive fouls or dangerous play = yellow card
Intent to hurt, or 2 yellow cards = red card, expelled from tournament
I fail to understand how changing the rule to "never break the plane" will change the penalties? In tournament play, you can only either lose the point, lose the match, or get kicked out. More rules will just mean more fouls and more penalties.
Are the penalties handled differently in takraw or volleyball? Honestly, aside from losing the spectator awe of breaking the plane, I don't understand how the game play or penalties will change.
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 276 Location: Portland, OR, USA
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:
These guys don't even know WHY they want the rule changed. First it's about some massive phantom injury then it's not because there has not been a recorded injury in this department. Then it's about improving the game but it has been proven to change the game in no significant way except make it less spectator friendly and handicap the ultra skilled. Then it's about safety again, but not. Then it should be more like takraw but not too much like takraw. Just with takraw rules and a takraw ball. Then it's about broken collarbones and some mysterious unsportsman-like players again.
Then NPR shows up (with some sweet help from the Frustrator) to remind the net crashing psychos in Oakland that the rules already cover everything they seem to want so it's back to business as usual!
Was there some survey or something that found this is the only topic that gets net players to post or what?
Steve
I leave you with the kindest word any net player can say to any other...
SET!
Joined: 19 Sep 2003 Posts: 321 Location: Oakland, CA, USA
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject:
Without breaking the plane of the net, how could anyone ever Ayatolah again?! Isn't that like the holy grail of footbag net, besides spiking it into someone's grill?
I personally like being able to break the plane. Being allowed to do so fits in with other net sports like volleyball and tennis, where your body can be over the net as long as the net is not touched nor an opponent contacted. Furthermore, rescuing an errant set by breaking the plane is similar to rescuing an errant set that crosses the lateral boundary lines of the court (sidelines), but we're allowed to keep those sets in play as long as we can kick them between the posts. Why disallow breaking the net plane when we continue to allow breakign the lateral planes?
I guess I just dont understand the arguments for banning breaking the plane of the net. Eric or P.T. care to further explain, or is this a dead issue now? Has the rule already been changed?
Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 40 Location: Oakland CA, USA
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject:
In tennis, you can break the plane, with your racket or body during a valid play.
You can not contact the ball across the plane, nor can you touch the net itself during play, and neither can you lob the ball and break the plane prior to the ball crossing the plane.
It's really a lousy example to back up the pro-plane breaking argument because of the significant differences on allowed activity during a plane breaking motion.
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 276 Location: Portland, OR, USA
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject:
No. The rule has not been changed because there is no need to change it. As they stand right now, the rules cover dangerous play by any person or team.
You are far more likely to get injured if not properly trained, stretched, and warmed up. Do those 3 things, play without fear, and the blessed aya-toe-la will be in your near future sir.
Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 270 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:47 am Post subject:
Latest NPR highlight reel: TRUE STORY
This past saturday, while kicking outside in sunny weather, there was at least one JOUST of merit. This is not for the squeamish, so stop reading now if you don't like the idea of jousting...
As I mustered my best white-boy hops and attempted to shtataff a phat set, Dr. Flyhigh soared in from the other side of the net. We intercepted the bag simultaneously, squishing it right over the plane (outlaw that!). Of course, I attempted to use my Adonis-like 190 pounds to crush Bernard back to earth, hopefully injuring him in the process. What happened next you might not believe...
Flyhigh's meager 140 pounds of footbag fury knocked me squarely on my ass! I watched in horror as the bag fell beside me! Naturally, I immediately jumped to my feet and called a foul. I stopped the match and refused to play further unless we changed the rules to prevent this type of aerial bullying. All they did was point at me and laugh...
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Besides, I owe you and Conan a beating at golden tee...
